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AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Quality or Quantity? Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:58 pm | |
| Debate: Quality or Quantity?
Well, recently I have been thinking on constructs. The main question is. Are 50,000 powerful constructs better than one construct with the energy that’s capable of making 50,000 powerful constructs? Let’s ignore the basic logic of the wide variations of what people consider to be powerful and others as such.
Pro Quantity. I mean, mass amounts of things represents lots of power, an example would be, would you rather fight 50,000 ogres each being 7 feet tall or one gigantic ogre 60.96 meters or 200 feet for Americans(No offense xD just wanting everyone to be able to understand how huge that is.
Either way it’s going to be one hell of a fight, but like the David and goliath story, size isn’t everything. I’d choose the big ogre then being overrun by 50k small ones, lol. Another example of quantity over quality are ants. Yep, those badass little bastards. They are organized, strong and come in masses. Take down things many times their size. Would you rather fight a Bengal tiger or thousands of ants the size of terriers. If you could understand how devastating ants the size of terriers would be you would choose the fucking Bengal tiger 20/20 times. Even with the Bengal tiger you would get your ass mauled, but the ants would be overkill on your unfortunate self. I’d give you a rocket launcher and if you were smart, you’d choose the fucking tiger still. That’s how horrifying ants that big would be.
Also the massed amount of constructs in itself would be a symbol so I am almost certain quantity beats quality.
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|  | | zacht016z

Posts: 19 Points: 211 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2011-11-20
 | Subject: Reply Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:02 pm | |
| unless of course your me and can target all of them at once... id rather fight the many things that cannot defend themselves vs the one thing that may be able to do something.
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|  | | AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Reply. Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:09 pm | |
| | zacht016z wrote: | unless of course your me and can target all of them at once... id rather fight the many things that cannot defend themselves vs the one thing that may be able to do something.
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With so many it will be extremely hard to find a weakness that they all share. With one big thing, if you find its weakness its pretty much done. |
|  | | zacht016z

Posts: 19 Points: 211 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2011-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:11 pm | |
| well i suppose that difference in opinion is caused by a divergence in terms. you see to me something big would have very hard to find weaknesses if they exist and the small stuffs you don't need to find the weaknesses because they are weak. |
|  | | Kage
Posts: 12 Points: 208 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2011-11-17
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:20 pm | |
| | AzurePhoenix wrote: | Debate: Quality or Quantity?
Well, recently I have been thinking on constructs. The main question is. Are 50,000 powerful constructs better than one construct with the energy that’s capable of making 50,000 powerful constructs? Let’s ignore the basic logic of the wide variations of what people consider to be powerful and others as such.
Pro Quantity. I mean, mass amounts of things represents lots of power, an example would be, would you rather fight 50,000 ogres each being 7 feet tall or one gigantic ogre 60.96 meters or 200 feet for Americans(No offense xD just wanting everyone to be able to understand how huge that is.
Either way it’s going to be one hell of a fight, but like the David and goliath story, size isn’t everything. I’d choose the big ogre then being overrun by 50k small ones, lol. Another example of quantity over quality are ants. Yep, those badass little bastards. They are organized, strong and come in masses. Take down things many times their size. Would you rather fight a Bengal tiger or thousands of ants the size of terriers. If you could understand how devastating ants the size of terriers would be you would choose the fucking Bengal tiger 20/20 times. Even with the Bengal tiger you would get your ass mauled, but the ants would be overkill on your unfortunate self. I’d give you a rocket launcher and if you were smart, you’d choose the fucking tiger still. That’s how horrifying ants that big would be.
Also the massed amount of constructs in itself would be a symbol so I am almost certain quantity beats quality.
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I think that one contrusct with the power of 50,000 constructs would be better simply because it would be harder to destroy. Though I guess it might have to do with what it's programming is. For example if your trying to create various constructs to leach energy off I think it would be better to make various of small constructs that are easy to cloak and use the extra energy they aquire to spawn and make other clone constructs. |
|  | | AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:55 pm | |
| | zacht016z wrote: | | well i suppose that difference in opinion is caused by a divergence in terms. you see to me something big would have very hard to find weaknesses if they exist and the small stuffs you don't need to find the weaknesses because they are weak. |
But together they are strong, and they are all together. Each construct could be a unique variation of shielding and attacking. While the big one would be powerful on all that you know of targeting for when attacking. |
|  | | unrelated
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 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:29 pm | |
| This can be summed up in ONE line. Depends on the person creating the constructs, if the person is strong willed, one strong construct, if weak, many constructs, as simple as that. |
|  | | AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Reply. Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:29 am | |
| | Auegamma wrote: | | This can be summed up in ONE line. Depends on the person creating the constructs, if the person is strong willed, one strong construct, if weak, many constructs, as simple as that. |
That's not the object in question. Not really as simple as that. I think you should read the first post again, karras. |
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 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:01 pm | |
| Seriously, it is. In terms of control, people are usualy limited of having one strong one and many weak ones. If they have developed in this path, their limitations can move beyond that. If someone has a weak will, they are not able to control a strong energy creature, because a strong creature has a will of their own which, if stronger then the creators, can dissobey if the order is against their will. Is the persons will is strong and they deal with a strong creature, they will make the creature do what they want. When is comes to many creatures, they would obey a strong willed person as well as a weak willed person equaly, but a strong willed person would be able to order many energy creatures at the same time rather then giving orders one by one. When it comes to combat, it is that a strong willed person will make weak energy creatures dissapear only by simple being close to them, while strong ones will attempt their actions. When someone has weak will, then they can do little in a real energy fight, which requires fast responses, quick analising and high quality attack / defence. Why so? The energy can be condenced more is someone has stronger will to condence it, this is THAT simple. Yeah, simple combat requires simple responces, the deeper you get the more the strong will plays role, due to the few facts, experience, dencer energy, faster responses, time a combat can last, wise use of energy and most likely few other elements, but these are the most obvious ones. Please note that techniques are not mentiones here, because we have a wild zoo in the Astral Realms and we can come across a creature which is immune on our main combat techniques. For example: get a towel, try to smack someone when it is wide, not gonna do a lot of harm to anyone, now roll it and do the same, it will be more dence and focused on a smaller area, but with similar quantity when we'd talk about the sum of it in both cases. Is it clear now or does it require further explanation? P.S. I'd go for quality, the higher the quality the higher the awareness of the being, it can lead to reasoning about the combat and their retreat if they have no chances. If they are realy high, they have a set of rules they have to fallow, both Angels and Demons have such, but they are different from one another. Other then that, I'd say what was to be written is here  |
|  | | AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Reply. Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:08 pm | |
| | Auegamma wrote: | Seriously, it is. In terms of control, people are usualy limited of having one strong one and many weak ones. If they have developed in this path, their limitations can move beyond that. If someone has a weak will, they are not able to control a strong energy creature, because a strong creature has a will of their own which, if stronger then the creators, can dissobey if the order is against their will. Is the persons will is strong and they deal with a strong creature, they will make the creature do what they want. When is comes to many creatures, they would obey a strong willed person as well as a weak willed person equaly, but a strong willed person would be able to order many energy creatures at the same time rather then giving orders one by one.
When it comes to combat, it is that a strong willed person will make weak energy creatures dissapear only by simple being close to them, while strong ones will attempt their actions. When someone has weak will, then they can do little in a real energy fight, which requires fast responses, quick analising and high quality attack / defence. Why so? The energy can be condenced more is someone has stronger will to condence it, this is THAT simple.
Yeah, simple combat requires simple responces, the deeper you get the more the strong will plays role, due to the few facts, experience, dencer energy, faster responses, time a combat can last, wise use of energy and most likely few other elements, but these are the most obvious ones. Please note that techniques are not mentiones here, because we have a wild zoo in the Astral Realms and we can come across a creature which is immune on our main combat techniques.
For example: get a towel, try to smack someone when it is wide, not gonna do a lot of harm to anyone, now roll it and do the same, it will be more dence and focused on a smaller area, but with similar quantity when we'd talk about the sum of it in both cases.
Is it clear now or does it require further explanation?
P.S. I'd go for quality, the higher the quality the higher the awareness of the being, it can lead to reasoning about the combat and their retreat if they have no chances. If they are realy high, they have a set of rules they have to fallow, both Angels and Demons have such, but they are different from one another. Other then that, I'd say what was to be written is here  |
You ignored a lot of parts. The one big construct has the energy of 50,000 constructs. So they would have its strength. Think of it as fighting 50,000 people each as strong as yourself or one person 50,000 times stronger than you.
You would find a huge variation of shielding and attack, essentially and worst case scenario is having to find 50,000 different weaknesses.
The one big one would have an incredible defense and attack, but on a much less scope and variation. Essentially, would you rather dodge 50,000 arrows or one huge and insanely fast arrow?
Would you rather fight a giant or an army of people? It would be hard to find the same weakness in the masses then in the big one.
Get where I am going?
Last edited by AzurePhoenix on Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:10 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Spelling errors.) |
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 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:46 pm | |
| Edit: well, have it your way, looks like you're resistant, oter then that, it looks more like a theoretical case study rather then a case study, because in practice, these 50,000 creatures are cooperating, often their participants vary in strenght and related type (general, luitenant, soldier) rather then specialty (fire, water, wind) because if they were, their own energy would influence with one another.
Is it clear now or does it require further explanation? |
|  | | AzurePhoenix Admin


Posts: 366 Points: 9343 Reputation: 11 Join date: 2011-11-13 Age: 17 Location: The Etheral
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:14 pm | |
| | Auegamma wrote: | Edit: well, have it your way, looks like you're resistant, oter then that, it looks more like a theoretical case study rather then a case study, because in practice, these 50,000 creatures are cooperating, often their participants vary in strenght and related type (general, luitenant, soldier) rather then specialty (fire, water, wind) because if they were, their own energy would influence with one another.
Is it clear now or does it require further explanation? |
That is not the object in question. It is simply a what if? IF they were all of equal strength. |
|  | | Electric Touch

Posts: 70 Points: 245 Reputation: 5 Join date: 2011-12-05
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:18 pm | |
| Auegamma had some good points, i guess it does depends on the reason you make it, its objective. i personally prefer quallity more. |
|  | | zacht016z

Posts: 19 Points: 211 Reputation: 0 Join date: 2011-11-20
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:55 am | |
| it also depends on the person that is to fight the unbeatable odds, you have a few options, fight a legion that you can kill a few of them, or fight something you cant scratch... |
|  | | Minsc

Posts: 20 Points: 186 Reputation: 3 Join date: 2011-12-16
 | Subject: Re: Quality or Quantity? Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:28 pm | |
| There's trying different approaches and there's splitting forces too thin.
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